Sunday, November 21, 2010

Ignatieff should call for a parliamentary vote on extending the Afghan mission to 2014.

There, I said it. It would be in his own best interests and it would be telling Canadians that he values democracy and public input on foreign affairs. It would make his caucus happy. It would show Michael's not afraid to let the people speak.

I do support the extension of the Afghan mission by Canadian Forces melding into a training role starting next year until 2014. We can't abandon the Afghan people when our job isn't finished yet. In 2001, I supported the Afghan invasion. I don't want the deaths of our Canadian soldiers to have been in vain. It's the right thing to do. There would be some division in the Liberal caucus, but in the end, the extension would pass the House with overwhelming Liberal support.

7 comments:

Glenn said...

There would be some division in the Liberal caucus, but in the end, the extension would pass the House with overwhelming Liberal support.

Think so, hmm?

MississaugaPeter said...

2006: "The opposition Liberal caucus of 102 MPs was divided, with 24 MPs supporting the extension, 66 voting against, and 12 abstentions. Among Liberal leadership candidates, Ignatieff and Scott Brison voted for the extension. Ignatieff led the largest Liberal contingent of votes in favour, with at least five of his caucus supporters voting along with him to extend the mission. Following the vote, Harper crossed the floor to shake Ignatieff's hand."

2010: Sorry, no overwhelming Liberal support in the House or among grassroots Liberals. But I am sure Harper would be more than happy to shake Ignatieff's hand again (and Rae's).

Matt Guerin said...

This is for training, not more combat. The 2006 vote wasn't whipped by interim leader Bill Graham.

I'm not sure why grassroots Liberals would want to abandon Afghanistan at this point, if they thought about it long enough.

Matt Guerin said...

Might be more instructive to refer to the most recent 2008 Commons vote on extending the mission to 2011 - in which the vast majority of Liberals voted to extend, with some absent.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/346019

MississaugaPeter said...

Maybe because too many Canadians have died and too many Canadians have come home wounded from Afghanistan, where CDN$B's have already been spent defending a corrupt dictator (yes, he is a dictator, since the last election was ignored and there is no mention of new elections).

Fred from BC said...

MississaugaPeter said...

Maybe because too many Canadians have died and too many Canadians have come home wounded from Afghanistan, where CDN$B's have already been spent defending a corrupt dictator (yes, he is a dictator, since the last election was ignored and there is no mention of new elections).

You failed to address Matt's main point, which was that 2008 gives a better indication of Liberal support for this than 2006. What purpose does a lengthy debate followed by a meaningless vote serve here, when you already know the outcome? Do we not have more important things for the House of Commons to be focusing on?

MississaugaPeter said...

Fred from BC,

The 2006 vote was a free vote (interim leader Graham did not whip the Liberals) and thus more indicative on which side the significant majority of Liberal MPs stand on this issue, while the 2008 vote was under much different circumstances. I agree a vote in 2010 with Ignatieff as leader would be similar to 2008, whereas a theoretical vote in 2010 with Dion (as an example only, not an re-endorsement) would be similar to 2006.